1.2 A Conversation with Sasha Weinsz
In this episode, Jimmy speaks to his former colleague and friend about her experiences and lessons learned while teaching theatre. She also shares a resource she finds very useful called Theatre Teacher Lesson Lending!
SASHA’S RESOURCE RECOMMENDATION:
Theatre Teacher Lesson Lending Facebook Group (link below)
Jimmy Chrismon:
You're listening to episode two of THED Talks with Jimmy Chrismon. THED Talks is a podcast for theater teachers and theater education students. I'm Jimmy Chrismon, your host of THED Talks. I taught high school theater for 17 years in public schools and now I'm currently the theater education professor at Illinois State University. Each week I want to bring you stories and interviews from experienced K12 theater teachers, current theater education majors, and professors of theater education that will warm your heart, renew your faith in teaching and provide resources to better your practice in your theater classroom. Thank you so much for listening. On today's podcast you're going to hear some of my thoughts and my stories of my experiences when I taught theater and currently what I'm doing now at Illinois State. If you have ideas for the show that you would like to hear us talk about or you'd like to be a guest on the show, please email me at thedtalkspodcast@gmail.com that's T-H-E-D-T-A-L-K-Spodcast@gmail.com. You can find us on Twitter @theatreedtalks on tumblr at THEDtalks.tumblr.com Facebook at THED talks, Instagram THEDtalkspodcast, and of course you can always visit our website, www.thedtalks.com. So this week my guest is Sasha Weinsz. Sasha and I taught together for a little while in South Carolina and now she is currently teaching at Mallard Creek High School. Welcome to THED Talks and I want to welcome my very first guest, Miss Sasha Weinsz who is a high school theater teacher in North Carolina. Sasha, introduce yourself. Tell us how you're doing, what you've been working on, and kind of what you love about your school.
Sasha Weinsz:
Okay. Hi everybody. I'm Sasha. I actually had the honor of having my first ever theatre teaching job with Dr. James Chrismon. Which was awesome. I am currently working at Mallard Creek High School and we just closed Putnam County Spelling Bee, The 20th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee and it was an actual marvel. It was my love child, this beautiful performance. Oh my gosh, I can't wait to sign to me that, um, the DVD, but, it was an amazing experience and it was so exciting because these kids didn't have a program really before I had gotten there. So, I had told the kids that had gotten nominated for the Blumeys that they had been nominated and I swear to God, it was like Christmas, New Years, their birthday and their wedding and then their 50th anniversary all put together in one and then times that by 50, I swear one of them almost peed herself. So they were just thrilled. And it was like that moment was like the solidifying moment because recently it's been hard. It's been like almost four months without a break. So I'm in that slump where I'm like, I hate everything. And so that moment was like, okay, yeah, check recheck. Here we go, start over. We gotta get going again.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well, and we all go through that as theatre teachers. There's a point where you are just like I just need this show to be done. I love these children...
Sasha Weinsz:
Well, I didn't want Putnam to end. I loved every second of Putnam. It was doing Putnam and then being a teacher, I just wanted to do the after school stuff. I didn't want to put the time and focus and energy on anything else. If that makes sense.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well talk a little bit about that. Talk about how you balanced the two and still try to find that joy in the teaching as well. Cause I know you love your kids. I see the wienszworld Instagram posts and I know you're so proud of them and you're doing amazing things in your classes with them. So how do you keep that balance?
Sasha Weinsz:
I'm lucky. Lucky being one way to put it, and not so lucky being one way to put it . So lucky that I am currently teaching three different preps. So my day is lively in regards to, I'm not teaching the same thing every block over and over again, but it also loads the work load times 50 so luckily it's not spread out for me. So like all of my tech theater is on one day. So I can bang out that lesson with tools on one day and not have to worry about it spreading out over a span of time or having to take up the auditorium for too long or having to over plan because one class is, or one day is taking longer than the other, et Cetera, et cetera. So that I'm very thankful for. I do too much and I will admit that. And I am learning every moment of every day. Currently right now where I'm happiest is in my career. So I enjoy spending the most time there, if that makes sense.
Jimmy Chrismon:
It does. I've lived much of my early adulthood in the theater building and in the school.
Sasha Weinsz:
And so it's one of those things and I was trying to explain it to my sister, for example, the other day where I, on the weekend will go to Starbucks or we'll go to the local coffee place and I'll sit down with a script and I'll create and I'll sit there and I'll do that that. And that's fun for me. Whereas you know, like somebody, oh, somebody will go paint or somebody will go play soccer. Like that's what I like to do. So for me, like it's always constant working. There's constant things going on. Like I literally closed Putnam a week ago. I'm already starting auditions next week for my next show. And it's, it's just constant magic and constant things that are going on. And Melissa's like, well, why don't you just settle down? Why don't you just like take it easy? And I'm like, well, then what fun would it be? Like what, what would I be doing? Like I guess I find joy and other things like I could watch "On My Block" all day long and I could do all the other things the kids tell me that I need to be doing. But I, that's where I, you know, thrive. So that's where I'm happiest, if that makes sense. I guess.
Jimmy Chrismon:
It does. It does. Do you, do you have anything outside of work or theater that you, you use this kind of an escape from that? Because I totally, I totally get the work and I totally get the love for what you're doing. But after doing it for 17 years and not ever finding that balance until I quit teaching to go to higher education, I know now that I wish there were, there were times that I had more of that outside of that.
Sasha Weinsz:
Yeah. I... no...
Jimmy Chrismon:
And that's okay.
Sasha Weinsz:
You know, I really enjoy fashion. I really enjoy art. I make it a priority for myself regardless of whether I actually... I mean, this is going to sound pathetic and boring and maybe you want to edit it out. But like I don't have a ton of friends, so plans et cetera are limited. So if I'm alone, I force myself to go out. So if I go out, it may be a Rah Rah for me. to get to the mall and I walk around the mall or I will go to the Mint Museum now that I'm in Charlotte. Or I, you know, I will try to go out to new places. Sometimes I'm not feeling it. I'm like every other theater person and have depression and anxiety. So I'm not feeling it and I don't want to go out. So you know, it's baby steps for me. I'm learning and it's good because each year it's getting better and better as we go. I have like this year has been one of the best artistically charged years I've ever had and the most collaborative years I've ever had in ways that I've tried to learn and ways to focus on how to include people and what I'm doing and not just spearheading everything by myself. So I just, I take things and I like dive right in and then, realize oh crud, what are you doing? You didn't think this through. So a lot of the times I carry a lot on my shoulders, but it's really good because I learn a lot from that. So I like to sink really, really hard and then swim really, really well the next year, if that makes sense.
Jimmy Chrismon:
It does. I do want to go back to what you just said though. You said you're learning how to let others help share the load. You said something to that effect
Sasha Weinsz:
Yes.
Jimmy Chrismon:
And I totally get that being I freely admit that I'm a control freak and letting, letting someone else be responsible for something, um, is very hard for me. Um, I think a lot of theater teachers are that way. So what are you learning with that process and how are you learning that?
Sasha Weinsz:
Well it was one of those things. Something as simple as like one of my closest friends here looked at me and said, what do you need help with? It was tech day and I was like, I need to glitter these shoes. And, of course, typical Sasha fashion, didn't test what I was doing, going to do beforehand. And i'm thinking, Oh Modge Podge...glitter, it'll work on these shoes. Well, they said to me, okay, all right, we'll figure this out. And I was like, are you sure? I mean, and then they took charge and they went and the shoes were perfect and it was the perfect thing and I got 25 other things done and they were able to get all of the shoes Modge Podged and done. And it was perfect. And I didn't have to worry about a thing.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well, because here's the thing, what our listeners may not know is that you and I worked together for a couple of years and...
Sasha Weinsz:
It was the best years of my life.of,
Jimmy Chrismon:
We did. We had a wonderful time, but...
Sasha Weinsz:
Don't. Don't let him make it sound sarcastic. We had the best time of our lives.
Jimmy Chrismon:
I am not disagreeing with you. It was fantastic.
Sasha Weinsz:
Don't let it sound sarcastic.
Jimmy Chrismon:
I didn't mean to if that's what it came across.
Sasha Weinsz:
The best years.
Jimmy Chrismon:
No, but what I was saying,
:
Don't cut this out James.
Jimmy Chrismon:
I had a hard time letting go because it had been just me making everything happen for so many years. And you were the one we wanted to hire. You were the one I wanted to hire and I was excited to have you. And I was excited to share the workload because it was a lot and I had a hard time letting you go and sharing it. And I think I had it took, it took some time to learn to trust you, and to, to know that you were good and to know that you, you were there to support me. So I honestly think, I think you actually helped me more than most anything in being able to do that better. Um, I still don't think I was really good at it by the time I left South Point, but, but learning
Sasha Weinsz:
You were good at it, you put on a very good face. I would never have known.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well, I am glad. I like even me learning to trust parents of the booster club and, and other teachers who wanted to help and being willing just to say yes, please just run with it. And I appreciate it. Of course. In the end it was fantastic and I loved it and it was wonderful, but it was really anxiety inducing. Um, and, and to, to do that. But it was a good lesson to learn. So I thank you.
Sasha Weinsz:
Well, coming in.. hey, what can I do? And, thank God. I wasn't afraid to just be like, here I am.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well you weren't, you just you, you jumped right in. You were like, what do you need done? I will do it.
Sasha Weinsz:
Oh remember, remember you were like, do you mind going up on the lift?
Jimmy Chrismon:
Oh my gosh. Okay. I am terrified of heights and Sasha came in in the middle of us working on Aida for our spring musical and so like Sasha would come to rehearsals, she would sit beside me and give me feedback and I had all these crazy tech ideas going through my head cause I usually dream these ideas of like a year before and like, so I have like a whole year that I'm planning and designing and figuring out what I want to do. And thank God you had been to Egypt before because you had all these, this this art history background that you brought into our set design, but these little lights, I wanted the entire back wall of the stage covered with these lights. A, it looked like stars at night.
Sasha Weinsz:
Oh it was so beautiful.
Jimmy Chrismon:
It was beautiful. But I was not going up on that lift. I was not doing it. So here's Sasha. She's like, yeah, I'll do it. I know you were terrified. I know you were.
Sasha Weinsz:
I just wanted you to like me!
Jimmy Chrismon:
That thing went in the air and started shaking. So I know you were terrified, but I think you every day for doing that because you helped make that little little dream of mine come true.
Sasha Weinsz:
oh my God it was beautiful and then Justin won Best Actor,
Jimmy Chrismon:
That three minute part of a show. It was worth it. So thank you.
Sasha Weinsz:
Perfect, Every second. Oh my gosh.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well, Sasha, tell me a little bit about the show you just finished. Because, I have been talking with you for awhile and I know how much you put into it and how much you were excited about doing it and I, I know it turned out well. So just kind of talk to me about that
Sasha Weinsz:
As I mentioned a little bit earlier, Mallard Creek High School had never really, they had a theater teacher that was great for quite a few years. Then I believe from my understanding they retired and then another theater teacher entered and he moved all theater performances to the daytime. So nothing was done in the evening time. Then the school got big enough. So they hired a second theater teacher. Well unfortunately, I'm not sure why, but that position became a revolving door. So for various years that, that second theater teacher position was usually the one that tried to do the things after school because the other theater teacher would not do things after school. So I came in, the year before me, they did once on this island, which awesome. Fabulous. Great. Unfortunately, I don't believe there was a lot of people that turned up for it, so I didn't, I don't think a lot of people knew that we had a theater department. So that was my goal is to get our name out there and to do something big. We did Sister Act last year and my oh my was that just too much fun. And the people were like, yes, here we go. So here we do not have a choir teacher. At a school.
Jimmy Chrismon:
That's a huge school.
Sasha Weinsz:
In Charlotte with 2,500 students. We do not have choir program. Now this is not me poop talking my principal. So let's make that very clear because I've a very perfect, wonderful, fabulous principal in every way. That is the district's decision, not his. I...so our orchestra teacher, bless his kind beautiful, perfect soul, does all of our music and he's there two days a week. So we have me and then we have Mister Matt Wilson. So we did this together and I got, which I was so excited about. So since the 25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee is a very fun, pretty much one set show, we decided we'd, obviously it's based in a school. We decided we were going to do it in a library. We were going to switch it up a little bit because we didn't really have the means to do a gym. We didn't have the right kind of stage, we didn't have the right ability to get the right equipment and the bleachers, et Cetera, et cetera. But what we did have was a lot of wood that we could turn it into flats. So we turned it into the library and worked more with what we already had. And it just so happened that the library was getting rid of tons of books last year. So inspiration, boom, and with Sister Act the year before we had a disco ball. It was a match made in heaven. So we did, we decided to do 25th Annual. We, so the show typically is only, I think like eight characters, 10 total. We ended up casting 20, I believe, which was pretty cool. So we ended up casting an ensemble. So the ensemble sang in every single song, just like the spellers, they were there to assist in choreography or with props that came flying out of nowhere. They would ride on scooters and from different places. They would bring props in. They would help with costume changes on stage. So essentially they were the janitors slash the, the adult supervisors of the group. And they also were like siblings, so they jumped around to a bunch of different parts, which was very fun. They had, it was, it was, uh, it worked out way better than I thought. So, let's see what else? I like the show a lot too because it gave the kids at a lot of an opportunity to design their own costume, which because we don't have a ton of funds, we have no funds actually really more than for the rights. So it was cool because the kid, I was like, kids let's design. We had, we had been keeping a character journal. We were, had been keeping, what do we think our character would wear and then these miraculous fabulous costumes came to be. And that was really fun. So the kids had a lot of ownership in that. What else did we do? Sets, costumes, I dunno. It was just really fun. We had a lot of audience interaction, for that show, for the people that don't know there's audience spellers. We ended up casting those, but it was cool and really fun for the kids because each night they were different characters. So they were assigned to be something different. They had different characters they had to be, they dressed in different costumes and they had different words. They never knew the words they were going to get or in what order they were going to go in. So that was really fun. We kind of kept them on their toes too. So even though obviously they knew what the jest of what everything was going on, they didn't really know what was gonna happen. And my brilliant friend James Chrismon told me about doing these Read posters. So we did them and they were freaking fabulous. So because we decided to do it in the library, I got together with the intermediate and proficient photography classes in our school and they did an entire unit on the 25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee. So they read the script in class, they listened to the music in class and they literally designed the whole spelling bee, including these posters. They took these kids' pictures, they designed these Read posters. It was awesome. So that was really cool. So those lined, the auditorium and then we got the national art honor society kids involved and they made honeycombs that dripped from sides underneath the, um, my, uh, the speakers was really cool. I can't wait to send you the video.
Jimmy Chrismon:
I can't wait to see it. I can't wait to see it. Well, what a great way to involve so many more kids and to make it bigger than it is cause I mean that shows fantastic small, but I can just imagine like the energy that it brought to those big numbers...
Sasha Weinsz:
135 kids from Mallard Creek High School were involved in this show.
Jimmy Chrismon:
That's fantastic.
Sasha Weinsz:
Every single kid in both of my technical theater classes were involved in painting and construction of the set, which was really, really cool because we actually did tools this year in my tech theater class, so they actually madestuff, which was amazing. So it was, it was awesome. Awesome.
Jimmy Chrismon:
That's awesome.
Sasha Weinsz:
I'm really sad. It's over actually. I miss it so much.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Talk to me about what, what have been a couple of the most impactful moments on you as a teacher in your career so far?
Sasha Weinsz:
There's like three, four that are like sticking out. I'm trying to think. Okay. So I'll do a couple of happy and a couple of sad. One for sure happy was the other day I was standing in the sound booth during Putnam County and I looked at my tech crew and two of the kids that were running mics and sound because I totally pulled what I like to call. I pulled a James Chrismon and I do not run, talk or operate a single thing during my musical. I sat in the audience and I watched and I during tech week look sat back and I looked at these two boys, one's a football player, the other is a basketball player and they're in my tech class and I looked at them interacting with the theater kids, the stage manager and the other two kids that were sitting with them. And I just like, welled up, I was like, oh my God.ers Finally what I'm doing is making an impact. And it was so cool and I feel like I have lifelongers that actually really enjoy themselves and like, like they're coming to drama club now and like spreading the word and they just really love it. And like they feel like they're VIP and they walk in and they were like, what's, what's the assignment today I'm about to ace this? Like, and they're happy to be there. And it's like, I haven't had a moment like that in a while in my tech world, so that's... Another um, impactful moment I think would be the students that I have lost at South Pointe High School. Unfortunately it has been three, four, too many. Even though there's been so many students that have been in the circle, the one circle, they still all are really important. And even if they were only there for a semester, a week, they're still really, .made a mark so, and then me not being there to help support the others that had been impacted by what had happened was very difficult. So that was a happy, sad. And then another very happy, I'm not just saying this cause I'm on your podcast. Okay. I truly, truly, truly, truly, truly feel like I genuinely hit the jackpot somewhere. I don't even, I don't even know what I believe in, but somewhere in the universe we were put together because we were meant to be. I've learned so much from you. My whole program is based around what you taught me. I wouldn't be where I am today without you. So yeah, there I am. There's me.
Jimmy Chrismon:
I appreciate you saying that. That was very nice.
Sasha Weinsz:
Well it's true!
Jimmy Chrismon:
I appreciate that
Sasha Weinsz:
The things is there are great moments every day and that's something to realize and like those are just things that are popping into my head at this current time.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Yeah. I get that. Let me go back to your, your sad moment for a second because that's one of the hardest things to teach in what I'm doing now. Because my, my, my undergrads now want to know how they're going to deal with that. How, how am I going to help my students deal with that? What am I going to do when tragedy strikes? Or what if, what if? What if? And I'm like, the best answer I can give you is I don't know. Because every time it's different and that doesn't ever get easier. And I hate that that's the best answer I can give. But it is, and you have to let yourself go through that and you have to let yourself as a teacher, you have to give your space yourself a space to grieve. And because you can't always be strong for those kids, as much as you want to be, you can't
Sasha Weinsz:
You definitely can't. And it's okay to let your kids know you're sad too. Oh, you don't have to. I Dunno. I'm an emotional person I guess. And people know when I'm upset and I obviously quite can't hide it, but like, it's okay. It's okay to let your people and your kids and your family and the people that you're around, you might as well call your kids, your family you're with them every day that you're sad too. And it's okay to feel that way. I think a lot of times people think it's okay. It's not okay to feel that way, you know? Yeah.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well that's, I mean that's some stuff that like, like I said, I don't know how to teach that yet. And if there are any other master teachers out there who know how to teach that, please, please contact me and let me know.
Sasha Weinsz:
Contact me, and Jimmy post some stuff about it. Okay? Share with us all because I think, I mean my God, I think I need it for myself
Jimmy Chrismon:
Kind of segueing into something else, kind of attached to that, but not. What is, what's something that you wished you had known or learned before you started teaching that like, your theater ed program and your Undergrad couldn't have prepared you for?
Sasha Weinsz:
Remember my theater ed program was not a reality and they didn't, I didn't have, I didn't have a class on how to teach anything. And then when I got to my intern or however people call it down here in the south or what we call it in the north, the student teaching, she said, okay, here you go. And then left and I never, saw again. So I kind of, when I got to you when I learned everything, . I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But no, student teaching was me really guiding myself like with the standards in Ohio and like with like learning just kind of how to guide myself. I didn't really have a methods class in all honesty. So I kind of,
Jimmy Chrismon:
so kind of everything you wish you had known...
Sasha Weinsz:
Everything. Yeah, yeah. I mean I knew how to set up a lesson and like I had learned that in my education classes and knew how to set up a lesson like new creative, artsy, fun things to do. But I never really had someone say to me like, Hey, this is how you should start teaching a high school theater class. Or Hey, like here are the standards. Here's a way to chunk them so that you can establish this in year one, two, three and four or even the concept that there is a one, two, three and four. You know, there's, there's quite a difference in arts education in the north and the south, my school, I was the only student in theater three and the only student in theater four, they offer those classes down here and there are kids in those classes. They offer a technical theater class. Like what? They don't offer that. I mean they, I mean unless it's a specialized arts school, you don't find that, you didn't find that in Ohio. Maybe in New York. I mean obviously in New York he would. But it's not really like you need to have it in your school type a thing like it is down here.
Jimmy Chrismon:
That ties into what kind of, what I was talking to a colleague today about in music education at, at ISU. We were just talking about how for me it's really difficult to get placements from my students
Sasha Weinsz:
I believe that!
Jimmy Chrismon:
In full time, in full time placements. And for me when I moved up here, that was a culture shock because I...
Sasha Weinsz:
Cause you can just go.. here's some here's some
Jimmy Chrismon:
Yeah, in North and South Carolina, every school, every element, not elementary, every middle and high school has a theater program. Many elementarys do so
Sasha Weinsz:
And high schools sometimes have two.
Jimmy Chrismon:
It, it, it's, it's not difficult. I mean I'm not going to say it's a breeze but it's not difficult to find work when you, when you come out with it with a degree and you're looking for a job in theater in teaching theater. But up here it's very different and I really want that to change. I mean
Sasha Weinsz:
Absolutely! so my placement when I was in college, my placement was down the street. She only taught two theater classes. One was a theatre one was a beginning theater class, the other was a theater two three and IB all mixed together in one class.
:
Oh I know! Then she left the school the year after I left and the closest theater program to my college was 30 minutes away. So they got rid of the major.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Wow. Well we got do something about that. We've got to, we've got to influence those kids. We've got to give them a reason to to...You send them to me, Sasha. We've got to do something.
Sasha Weinsz:
I'll send them. I'll send them all your way, and I've got some good ones too. Dang, They're wonderful.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well, good. I can't wait to see your DVD cause I know you're doing amazing things there. I'm so proud of you.
Sasha Weinsz:
Oh I'm crying, I'm tearing up. They're fabulous.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Okay. So tell me what is a resource that you're currently using that we must have?
Sasha Weinsz:
Can you promise not to laugh at me?
Jimmy Chrismon:
Why would I laugh at you?
Sasha Weinsz:
No, because this is like, I feel really addicted to it.
Jimmy Chrismon:
No, please tell me.
Sasha Weinsz:
It's called Theater Teacher Lesson Lending.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Okay.
Sasha Weinsz:
And it's a group on Facebook and I kind of love it for the resource because they have like files and like stuff that you can download. Right. Also love it because my school is so poor that I love watching all of these really rich schools complain about how they don't have enough money to do things that really rich schools... Really rich schools can do. And I'm like, oh, I have an idea on how you can do it.
Jimmy Chrismon:
I'll make sure I'll put the... Repeat it again. I don't want to say it wrong.
Sasha Weinsz:
Theatre Teacher Lesson Lending.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Do go ahead and tell us some ways we can follow what you're doing with your students and what you, what you're doing, what your school's doing.
Sasha Weinsz:
So, if you want to follow the Maverics, you can follow us on Instagram at mcreptheatre. Or Mallard Creek Repertory Theater on Facebook. We are new but we have lots of posts. We do a lot of crazy things. That's where we post most of our stuff.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well, good deal, hopefully people will go check you out and maybe Who knows if this podcast takes off, maybe you'll get some extra audience members coming.
Sasha Weinsz:
Oh my god, Yes, It's going to.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well, let's hope!
Sasha Weinsz:
I have so many people I'm going to tell about it. We need to get Bailey Burand on here I think I'm just going to outsource you.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Please do. Please do.
Sasha Weinsz:
And, I have a tech theatre person I can get on here for you. He's really cool.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Fantastic. Please, please send them my way. I will put all the contact information at the end of the episode and you've got my information anyway so you can put them in touch with me, so that'd be fantastic. Last question for you. What are your parting words of wisdom to new teachers?
Sasha Weinsz:
Don't give up because it's very hard, but honestly it's worth every second. And, no matter the challenge. If you take a deep breath, there's always a solution.
:
Good words, Good words. I feel really smart. That was a really good one.
Jimmy Chrismon:
That was good. I like it. I'll probably quote that and put it in a picture on Instagram or something,
Sasha Weinsz:
T-shirt!
Jimmy Chrismon:
We love a good t-shirt. We love a good t-shirt. Well, Sasha, thank you so much for joining me today. I love talking to you and I wish you all the best with your program.
Sasha Weinsz:
Can you have me on again, just for fun?
Jimmy Chrismon:
Of course, absolutely.
Sasha Weinsz:
OK. Ok.
Jimmy Chrismon:
Well, thank you for joining us and I'll talk with you soon. I would like to give a plug for a friend of mine who teaches high school theater in South Carolina. She has a podcast called The Pizza Play. She does that with her significant other and it is all about the playwriting process. It's an interesting show. I enjoy it. I listen to it regularly and I'm excited to see where these two take the pizza play they have been working on. So check them out if you are interested in playwriting and the whole process of that and conversations about current theater topics. Check out The Pizza Play podcast. We've had a wonderful time talking with Sasha today, so thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for listening. Show notes and archives of the podcasts are found on our website at THEDtalks.com. You can find us on any of your podcast providers, Apple Podcasts on iTunes, Google Podcasts on Google Play, Spotify, Stitcher, Soundcloud, Anypod, Tunein. You can find us anywhere. So please go on any of your sites, subscribe to us, rate, review, and share the podcast. I want to make sure I give a special shout out to my former student, Joel Hamlin, and his best friend, Josh Shusterman for their original music called "Magnetize" that he has so graciously allowed us to use on the show. So thank you guys for that. Thanks again for joining us and I look forward to next time. Take care.
